Frederick Viner
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How I Wrote My Most Complex Piece
Four years ago, before youtube became an outlet for my nerdy ramblings and anti-‘Fur Elise’ propaganda, I embarked on the most ambitious creative project of my life: to compose a set of four piano etudes. Rather than focusing on specific areas of pianistic technique, such as scales, arpeggios, parallel thirds etc., each work would focus on a different compositional technique, as well as a range of extra-musical imagery and metaphor, like astronomy and meditation.
The first of the set, subtitled ‘Mirie it is’, is based on Ligeti’s concept of tempo fugue - a style of counterpoint in which voices sound at different speeds to create the effect of simultaneous different tempi. Getting to grips with this technique was an absolute nightmare and ‘Mirie it is’ ended up being the most time-consuming and complicated piece I’ve ever attempted.
In today’s video I’m going to tell you how I wrote it; in the process, we’ll explore tempo fugue and maybe even equip you with the tools to compose your own…
1) Intro - 0:00
2) A New Approach - 1:04
3) Automne à Varsovie - 3:45
4) So you want to write a tempo fugue? - 5:28
5) Adapting Tempo Fugue - 8:36
6) How did it turn out? - 10:39
7) Conclusions - 14:53
Many thanks to the following musicians who kindly gave permission for their recordings to be featured:
1. Daniel Kuehler - Messiaen Prelude no. 5: ua-cam.com/video/65dONiidXv0/v-deo.html
2. Martin Ivanov - Liszt Transcendental Etude no. 4, 'Mazeppa': ua-cam.com/video/mbObRrHieUo/v-deo.html
3. Paul Barton - Chopin Op. 10 no. 2: ua-cam.com/video/C7PaDwFwTSU/v-deo.html
4. Simon Karakulidi - Ligeti Etude no. 1, 'Desordre': ua-cam.com/video/dMeFCsMDy8M/v-deo.html
5. Denis Zhdanov - Ligeti Etude no. 16, 'Pour Irina': ua-cam.com/video/MM7eJrO_0yE/v-deo.html
6. Dmytro Choni - Ligeti Etude no. 5, 'Arc-en-ciel': ua-cam.com/video/qKMryWewNC4/v-deo.html
7. Imri Talgam - Ligeti Etude no. 6, 'Automne à Varsovie': ua-cam.com/video/7tjhPYof76E/v-deo.html
8. TENET Vocal Artists - 'Mirie it is': ua-cam.com/video/Gda_cbbheQk/v-deo.html
9. Vadim Chaimovich - Viner 'Something She'd Like' :ua-cam.com/video/mmmXxcTRRo0/v-deo.html
Listen to the four etudes: ua-cam.com/video/6dxe7NAOqHc/v-deo.html
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This Chopin Sonata Is Cleverer Than You Think...
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Join composer Frederick Viner as he delves into Chopin's 3rd sonata and a particularly clever (and possibly accidental) characteristic of its themes. 1) Intro (Chopin 3) - 0:00 2) Educational Abominations - 1:14 Beethoven 'Waldstein' - 1:20 Mozart 16 - 1:36 Beethoven 1 - 1:47 3) Two Sides of the Same Coin - 2:10 Haydn 53 - 2:16 Beethoven 'Appassionata' - 2:36 4) Dodgy yet Catchy- 3:06 Chopin 2 ...
The Catchiest Piece You've NEVER Heard Of
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Great music stands the test of time...sometimes. Join composer Frederick Viner as he investigates and performs the brilliant third movement of John Ireland's neglected 'Sonatina'. 1) Intro: 0:00 2) Performance: 2:00 Discover the piece for yourself here (including the equally astonishing 1st and 2nd movements) at IMSLP: petruccimusiclibrary.ca/files/imglnks/caimg/e/e5/IMSLP267738-PMLP433707-Irel...
2 Pieces for One Hand (2021), performed by Vestard Shimkus | Frederick Viner
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1) 'Right Away' for piano right hand: 0:00 2) 'One-Liner' for piano left hand: 1:40 Performed by 'the' Vestard Shimkus (@meervieniiba) Shimkus 22 Dec, 2022, Latvia. Watch Vestard's incredible live performance here: ua-cam.com/video/875PRZlcuTI/v-deo.html Buy the sheet music (sold together and separately): 385056.e-junkie.com frederickviner.com www.buymeacoffee.com/FredViner
When Scriabin Broke Tonality
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Donic? Tominant? Watch the full video: ua-cam.com/video/rmrwXmRISEI/v-deo.html Scriabin's Op. 57 no. 1, 'Desir', performed by @DenZhdanovPianist frederickviner.com/ www.buymeacoffee.com/FredViner
This Is Why I Love Early-20th-Century Music...
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Join composer Frederick Viner and pianist Denis Zhdanov@DenZhdanovPianist as they offer their perspectives on four different early-20th-century works. Intro - 0:00 1) Scriabin: 'Desir', Op. 57 no. 1 - 0:49 Denis - 1:20 Fred - 3:50 2) Villa-Lobos: 'O Polichinelo' - 5:18 Fred - 5:31 Denis - 6:47 3) Gershwin: Prelude no. 1 - 8:59 Fred - 9:20 Denis - 10:45 4) Ravel: 'Ondine' - 11:54 Fred - 12:39 De...
Chopin's Most Complex Rhythm (and How to Play It)
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Join composer Frederick Viner and pianist Cordelia Williams as they explore Chopin's most complex rhythm from both analytic and performative perspectives. Subscribe to Cordelia's Channel: @CordeliaWilliams Intro - 0:00 Analysis - 0:43 How to play it - 2:10 Step 1 - 2:38 Step 2 - 3:40 Step 3 - 4:51 So, how useful is the analysis? - 5:42 Outro - 7:05 frederickviner.com/ www.cordeliawilliams.net/ ...
FOUR ETUDES for piano (2020-22) | Frederick Viner
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In late 2019 I set out to compose four piano Etudes as part of my doctoral research. Rather than focusing on specific pianistic patterns (scales, arpeggios, thirds etc.), I instead explored a variety of different compositional techniques and imagery, ranging from Ligeti's 'Tempo Fugue' concept in the 1st to astronomical and meditative metaphors in the 2nd and 3rd. The 4th, ‘Toccata’, serves as ...
Etude No. 4: 'Toccata' for piano (2022) | Frederick Viner
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In late 2019 I set out to compose four piano Etudes as part of my doctoral research. Rather than focusing on specific pianistic patterns (scales, arpeggios, thirds etc.), I instead explored a variety of different compositional techniques and imagery, ranging from Ligeti's 'Tempo Fugue' concept in the 1st to astronomical and meditative metaphors in the 2nd and 3rd. This 4th and final Etude, 'Toc...
Chopin's Favourite Chord
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Ever wondered what makes Chopin sound like...well, Chopin...? Played by legendary pianist and friend of the channel, Paul Barton - ua-cam.com/channels/-4HMv1j00QTebcFg4mV2DQ.html More analysis: ua-cam.com/play/PLPlnfI29fmhOi4BPb_HiyqAu-z7zOEc_Z.html frederickviner.com/ www.buymeacoffee.com/FredViner
Dogs According to Piano Music
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Dogs According to Piano Music
When Debussy Mocked Wagner
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When Debussy Mocked Wagner
'Keeping On' - 5 Pieces for Piano (2021-22), performed by Denis Zhdanov
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'Keeping On' - 5 Pieces for Piano (2021-22), performed by Denis Zhdanov
This piece only uses ONE note...
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This piece only uses ONE note...
5 Breathtaking Nocturnes NOT by Chopin (ft. Lowell Liebermann)
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5 Breathtaking Nocturnes NOT by Chopin (ft. Lowell Liebermann)
Beethoven's Subtle Brilliance | Ep. 2
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Beethoven's Subtle Brilliance | Ep. 2
Beethoven's Subtle Brilliance | Ep. 1
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Beethoven's Subtle Brilliance | Ep. 1
'Night Air' for piano (2022), performed by Charles Szczepanek | Frederick Viner
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'Night Air' for piano (2022), performed by Charles Szczepanek | Frederick Viner
Ravel's Favourite Chord
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Ravel's Favourite Chord
'Coffee To Go' for piano (2022), performed by Mami Shikimori | Frederick Viner
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'Coffee To Go' for piano (2022), performed by Mami Shikimori | Frederick Viner
The Most Beautiful Passage From Every Chopin Nocturne
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The Most Beautiful Passage From Every Chopin Nocturne
'Riverwalk' for piano (2022), performed by Paul Barton | Frederick Viner
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'Riverwalk' for piano (2022), performed by Paul Barton | Frederick Viner
'All That's Left' for piano left hand (2018), performed by Simon Callaghan | Frederick Viner
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'All That's Left' for piano left hand (2018), performed by Simon Callaghan | Frederick Viner
Gould Rewrites 'Clair de Lune' (Transcribed)
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Gould Rewrites 'Clair de Lune' (Transcribed)
Another 5 Pieces to Play Instead of 'Für Elise'
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Another 5 Pieces to Play Instead of 'Für Elise'
'We Three Kings' - Advanced Piano Arrangement
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'We Three Kings' - Advanced Piano Arrangement
'Winter Waltz' for piano (2021), performed by Jill Morton | Frederick Viner
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'Winter Waltz' for piano (2021), performed by Jill Morton | Frederick Viner
'Carol of the Bells' - Advanced Piano Arrangement
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'Carol of the Bells' - Advanced Piano Arrangement
When Rubinstein Overcame a Memory Lapse Mid Performance
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When Rubinstein Overcame a Memory Lapse Mid Performance
How Rachmaninoff Writes a Melody | Piano Concerto No. 2 Analysis
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How Rachmaninoff Writes a Melody | Piano Concerto No. 2 Analysis

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @kcostell
    @kcostell 22 години тому

    The poor posthumous C Minor Nocturne gets slighted again. 😥

  • @paulestebancarreramolinell7538

    4:23 No matter how many times i hear this, i feel like i have to cry. Op 9 No 3 Underrated

  • @lanl1845
    @lanl1845 5 днів тому

    13:16 is my reaction first time hearing the cadenza

  • @fortunatomartino8549
    @fortunatomartino8549 7 днів тому

    Gershwin is merely popular

  • @UtsyoChakraborty
    @UtsyoChakraborty 10 днів тому

    So beautiful!

  • @crustyaf1s
    @crustyaf1s 10 днів тому

    the meme at the end 💀

  • @pianista-mediocre
    @pianista-mediocre 11 днів тому

    Liszt mephisto polka be like:

  • @theorymaster6310
    @theorymaster6310 12 днів тому

    This is more of a sonata than a set of etudes.

  • @harrybmichell
    @harrybmichell 12 днів тому

    The Poulenc was 🔥🔥

  • @JoeLinux2000
    @JoeLinux2000 14 днів тому

    Outstanding advice.

  • @brycehm
    @brycehm 15 днів тому

    I come back to this video once in a while because I love the way Etude 3 is notated. Super clear exactly what the intent was in each section, and surprisingly easy to read

  • @RENAADALD
    @RENAADALD 16 днів тому

    Liszt’s Romance s.169 is so underrated and is one of my piano favorites 😔

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo 16 днів тому

    The middle section does indeed feint toward the Tristan chord. Three of the four pitches are borrowed from it.

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo 18 днів тому

    Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra is a famous one, as noted earlier. In a similar vein, Peter Schickele's "Last Tango in Bayreuth" for four bassoons spends a fair bit of its energy mocking Tristan. More explicitly, Don Giovanni has three consecutive quotations from other compositions, the one from The Marriage of Figaro beating out the other two.

  • @Tcrrxzz
    @Tcrrxzz 18 днів тому

    🖐️

  • @Composer_Pianist
    @Composer_Pianist 19 днів тому

    First one reminds me a bit of Szymanowski. I enjoyed your music a lot! 😁👌🏼

  • @superzz8474
    @superzz8474 19 днів тому

    Even tho personally op. 37 no. 2 is my favorite nocturne, I think your picks are really good

  • @angryprimalbug5417
    @angryprimalbug5417 19 днів тому

    Piano Vaati

  • @PhilipZilfo
    @PhilipZilfo 20 днів тому

    8:00 oh my god i never realized this.. just immediately teared up while hearing this.. how did i never notice it?

  • @GillyMaid100
    @GillyMaid100 21 день тому

    Humour me for a moment, please. I love classical music, especially Debussy, but do not play an instrument nor read music, can someone explain ? thanks.

  • @Damuvader
    @Damuvader 28 днів тому

    This video is amazing, and it shocks me how people can write stuff that is SO complicated and still sounds good... You did a fantastic job at this piece, please keep composing!

  • @MrInterestingthings
    @MrInterestingthings Місяць тому

    Scriabin 3rd Sonata always amazing, nos4 and 5 each really world's apart.I think similarity is because of the practice if the time .Melodyand harmonic progressions beforeDebussy,Ravel,Wagner always have a certain route so I,Iv,V and the other limited schema will easily be superimposed barring middlevoicing and subthematic material doesnt clash.WithMozart time chromaticism became so obtrusive this becomes difficult. Perhaps going back to Byrd,Purcell,Monteverdi we might find more pertinence.

  • @allanbrown1999
    @allanbrown1999 Місяць тому

    What is the name of this piece?

  • @bethanywakim6175
    @bethanywakim6175 Місяць тому

    You could have titled this whole thing “simple enough… except, not really” haha. The 3-3-5-7 sounds like there are at least 3 people playing 🫠

  • @user-qm1xk9xk2w
    @user-qm1xk9xk2w Місяць тому

    wait untill he finds out about sorabji

  • @gmfrunzik
    @gmfrunzik Місяць тому

    John fields nocturnes are all also super great

  • @simon7809
    @simon7809 Місяць тому

    thank you so much for your video, i wish i had half your knowledge in analysing music! Chopin's nocturne are more than piano pieces now, they're part of history. One of my favorite is op 32 n 2, its overlooked because of its simplicity, but its also the reason i love it so much, it feels like a walk in a beautiful garden, the melody is uplifting yet there's such melancholy in it, i find it hard to describe

  • @LisztAddict
    @LisztAddict Місяць тому

    what about alkan's

  • @TimondeNood
    @TimondeNood Місяць тому

    The first one is really good, very original and refreshing! Loved the performance as well :)

  • @Mchwarz
    @Mchwarz Місяць тому

    It looks like a kid bumping into a piano. Why exaggerate the complexity if the piece is not audible? If you want to know whether a "classical" piece is good or awful, in that kind of case, simply try counting the number of "fff" and "ppp" on one sheet.

    • @FrederickViner
      @FrederickViner Місяць тому

      'if the piece is not audible'? Try turning up your speakers. And this isn't a 'classical' piece (ie in the style of the classical period) so I suppose your nonsensical dynamics theory doesn't apply.

    • @Mchwarz
      @Mchwarz Місяць тому

      ​@@FrederickViner Take any virtual piano and stumble on it; it's almost the same stuff. The difference is that you organize what notes the kid will bump into. It can be a good experience, for sure. But the last thing this is, is listenable.

    • @kgroveringer03
      @kgroveringer03 Місяць тому

      @@MchwarzTell me you don’t understand the composer’s intentions without telling me you don’t understand the composer’s intentions

    • @Mchwarz
      @Mchwarz Місяць тому

      ​@@kgroveringer03 A lot of "intentions" doesn't matter since it sounds like scattered notes with no destination and without a good structure (like in music). This may demonstrate a deep understanding of theory, but it lacks a stable rhythm and a good melody. That's my opinion, so screw it.

    • @FrederickViner
      @FrederickViner Місяць тому

      Maybe think twice before announcing your tone deafness to the world. If you really can't hear the difference between my piece (which consists of a highly conspicuous tune, among other obvious features) and 'a kid bumping into a piano' then you clearly weren't listening/don't have the ability to listen.

  • @Room-fn3zr
    @Room-fn3zr Місяць тому

    5:11 is giving twilight zone

  • @Robotron-wd9em
    @Robotron-wd9em Місяць тому

    4:11 didn't also chopin do the same thing in the fourth ballade

  • @AsherDarling
    @AsherDarling Місяць тому

    This is absolutely fascinating! Love the sound too. Thanks for sharing!

  • @adamstillwagon83
    @adamstillwagon83 Місяць тому

    I think it’s exciting having parameters for the music you write! When I personally started composing, I would enter music into a playback software not really knowing how it would sound, and get feedback when it played it back at me. Having rhythmic structures that lay out things with an abstract identity, it’s interesting what I pull from it, like a rorshach test.

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 Місяць тому

    Max Reger's Albumblatt Op. 44 No. 1 has a similar rhythm as Für Elise, it's really beautiful!

  • @pauljackson1029
    @pauljackson1029 Місяць тому

    Fascinating and well articulated but unintentionally funny was, to my free UA-cam, a jazz ad entering just as you said 'and this is what that sounds like'!

    • @FrederickViner
      @FrederickViner Місяць тому

      The ads drive me mad. I used to listen to music exclusively on UA-cam, but since being interrupted by Tina Fey like 4 times during Mahler 9 I’ve moved to Spotify

  • @creamrisesup
    @creamrisesup Місяць тому

    @11:57, is the epitome of a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. This Nocturne is the most sublime of all piano music. Ohh Chopin, what have you done brother.

  • @PabloGambaccini
    @PabloGambaccini Місяць тому

    It's interesting how many of us composers are using this type of time variations, I used to know it as prolations (the renaissance term). I also love the use of different tempo leyers, polirrythns and polymeters. What does this say about our society's philosofical zeitgheist? It is an interesting reflection about the existence of different layers not by opposition but just by chance. I think that the correct term for a composition etude could be in the lines of "ricercare", like Bach used to name some works, it means research.

  • @alans98989
    @alans98989 Місяць тому

    One interesting difference I see in your approach is that, unlike Ligeti, it seems that you chose to not maintain rhythmic proportionality between the layers. The lamento theme Ligeti used is rhythmically quite simple since it consists entirely of only 2 rhythmic elements: short notes and long notes. If you like, quarter notes and half notes. That made it easy to notate everything with an underlying pulse of 16th notes while still maintaining proportionality since the other layers would be 3:6, 5:10, 6:12, 7:14. The theme you chose it more rhythmically complex so, maintaining rhythmic proportionality using an underlying 8th note pulse would've been too complicated. But, if you had wanted to do it that way, one interesting thing to do might have been to take advantage of the fact that theme can be felt in 12/8, 6/4, or 3/2 and present the other rhythmic layers using triplets and duplets relative to the main pulse. It's a bit like what Ligeti did in the first movement of his Piano Concerto. Also, I thought the ending was very Schnittke-like. Insanity building up to an explosion followed by a very quiet fade out over a low bass.

  • @robinthomsoncomposer
    @robinthomsoncomposer Місяць тому

    Great. Always on the look out for new this level of pieces for my students.

  • @companyomidayendeh5325
    @companyomidayendeh5325 Місяць тому

    In a strict perspective tristan name for chord or debussy name for scale is not appropriate.

  • @martinhnilo7961
    @martinhnilo7961 Місяць тому

    "Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all difficulties. After one has played a vast quantity of notes and more notes, it is simplicity that emerges as the crowning reward of art."

  • @fragilempty6911
    @fragilempty6911 Місяць тому

    You are a great educator! I think you should talk more about musical form.